tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post749066421068647672..comments2023-06-18T23:25:49.743+08:00Comments on 轉世新加坡的台客: 西方的“Mind”和東方的“心” {"心智" of the West and "Heart? Spiritual?" of the East}忠 Chonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02260178086336121164noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-73861053513518347522007-11-28T02:41:14.000+08:002007-11-28T02:41:14.000+08:00i understood u hav said. the reason of me putting ...i understood u hav said. the reason of me putting this blog is to dig more into the defination of "mind" and "心" rather than jus taking for granted n simply equate the two. the quantum phs is something that i am not familar. thanks for sharing.<br /><br />seems this discussion getting more n more exciting. :pang clhttp://clang13.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-14586542414102582522007-11-26T23:28:36.000+08:002007-11-26T23:28:36.000+08:00Clang: you are right the "mind" in today...Clang: you are right the "mind" in today western psychology is not equal to "心" inour eastern contact, but this has it historical reason. But basically in western contact their "mind" should be similar meaning to our "心", just in psychology field have not reach the state yet, but they will move toward that direction I think, especially the discovery of quantum phs (量子力学). There are a few book discussing on these, like “Mind into Matter” & “The Spiritual Universe” by Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.. There also has a documentary call "What the bleep do we know” talk about this, you can try to find the dvd and watch it. Discuss with you more when have more time. :)Beng Limhttp://benglim.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-71110744683133074512007-10-11T12:09:09.000+08:002007-10-11T12:09:09.000+08:00Well, the heart, in the Bible, is definitely not t...Well, the heart, in the Bible, is definitely not the same as MIND.<br /><br />The HEART is what God looks at, when He looks at human activities.<br /><br />Try to find Neil T Anderson's books......or someone else? Can't remember where I found a chart where the Christian author actually differentiate body, mind and heart.....Josephine Yanghttp://xiaopu812.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-49177460179461494022007-10-10T02:45:05.000+08:002007-10-10T02:45:05.000+08:00we don really focus on the topic "heart"...we don really focus on the topic "heart" but instead we are comparing some thoughts of "mind" in the west world and "心" in the east. thats why i did not confirm the translation of "心". i think it could be "heart" or "spiritual"?<br /><br />personally, i don think "mind"="心".<br /><br />the website is interesting, but do u wanna share some of ur thou of "heart" or "mind" or "心" from bible point of view?<br /><br />we really need multi-religion type of discussion.ang clhttp://clang13.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-65133636271354603742007-10-09T20:02:50.000+08:002007-10-09T20:02:50.000+08:00http://www.biblegateway.com/topical/topical_search...<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/topical/topical_searchresults.php?resultsapp=25&source=1&search=heart&searchtype=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/topical/topical_searchresults.php?resultsapp=25&source=1&search=heart&searchtype=all</a>Josephine Yanghttp://xiaopu812.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-9908049747369950142007-10-09T20:02:03.000+08:002007-10-09T20:02:03.000+08:00The Bible also mentioned the word "heart"...The Bible also mentioned the word "heart", in fact condition of the "heart" is ESSENTIAL and important to Christians.Josephine Yanghttp://xiaopu812.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-43059290035161707672007-10-09T20:00:53.000+08:002007-10-09T20:00:53.000+08:00hey that's a book I was thinking of buying. I ...hey that's a book I was thinking of buying. I don't quite get what you say, but I hope when I bought the book, I can try to understand as much as I can if I invest enough time................Josephine Yanghttp://xiaopu812.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-38296287829247432602007-10-08T14:17:09.000+08:002007-10-08T14:17:09.000+08:00my question is since there is ambiguity on the def...my question is since there is ambiguity on the definition even at the beginning, how could we compare both? they are coming from diff roots n havin diff fruits.<br /><br />even asking wat is the reality of mind from diff culture hav diff answer. if two lines start from the same pt but hav diff angle, even if the diff in angle are minute, we can see the lines separating further n further n further.<br /><br />i m also not comfortable wif the definition of idealism. seems like "heart" in eastern world r jus an out-of-this-world ideal n does not concern wif our daily life. my personal view is that that is why is world is getting crazy cos people do not know where are they "heart". people r using "mind" instead of "heart" to live there life. in chinese, we say "用 心生活" we don say "用心智生活". this don seems like an idealism issue to me.<br /><br />why not jus leave the 2 diff approaches alone instead of trying to bend these 2 separating lines together?<br /><br />thanks for introducing me the web and Wilhelm Wundt. will do some reading on it. appeciate that.ang clhttp://clang13.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-56483489376086837582007-10-07T10:18:50.000+08:002007-10-07T10:18:50.000+08:00Uncle,
Yes, I totally agree with what you said; th...Uncle,<br />Yes, I totally agree with what you said; the term “mind” is quite ambiguous. The concept of mind in western culture is quite different from the eastern one. So in the seminar class I introduced Buddhist concept of mind and consciousness first then talked about the western one. <br />But I think there is still certain commonness between the two approaches; that is, pursuing the answer of the question of “what is the reality of mind.” And these two cultures try to solve this problem by different ways. It is no doubt that the western try to solve it through the scientific or epistemic way; on the contrast, the eastern follow its own traditional teachings of meditation or spiritual introspection. <br />The former one is usually on the position of physicalism, and the latter one is closer to idealism. One of my main concerns is to integrate these two ones to reveal the reality of mind. And I think more and more people are walking on this track. (ex. <a href="http://www.alanwallace.org/writings.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.alanwallace.org/writings.htm</a>) If we choose only one of the approaches, I think we either shallow the question or obscure and subjectize it. <br />Cheers,<br />Kent<br />By the way, one of the famous introspectionists is Wilhelm Wundt.Kent Linhttp://mahavirya.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3261052335869187859.post-45275950563270758732007-10-07T10:18:40.000+08:002007-10-07T10:18:40.000+08:00Uncle,
Yes, I totally agree with what you said; th...Uncle,<br />Yes, I totally agree with what you said; the term “mind” is quite ambiguous. The concept of mind in western culture is quite different from the eastern one. So in the seminar class I introduced Buddhist concept of mind and consciousness first then talked about the western one. <br />But I think there is still certain commonness between the two approaches; that is, pursuing the answer of the question of “what is the reality of mind.” And these two cultures try to solve this problem by different ways. It is no doubt that the western try to solve it through the scientific or epistemic way; on the contrast, the eastern follow its own traditional teachings of meditation or spiritual introspection. <br />The former one is usually on the position of physicalism, and the latter one is closer to idealism. One of my main concerns is to integrate these two ones to reveal the reality of mind. And I think more and more people are walking on this track. (ex. <a href="http://www.alanwallace.org/writings.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.alanwallace.org/writings.htm</a>) If we choose only one of the approaches, I think we either shallow the question or obscure and subjectize it. <br />Cheers,<br />Kent<br />By the way, one of the famous introspectionists is Wilhelm Wundt.Kent Linhttp://mahavirya.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.com